Brushed vs brushless motors

Are brushless motors inefficient?
My ROV uses brushed motors in a sealed pods driving an open propeller. It was pure guesswork but works well and drives my ROV quite fast at 24v and 3 amps max. per motor.
I was thinking of switching to the T200 thruster and bought one. It is impressive but I don’t think it will match my home made one for the same power. I am probably wrong but without setting up a test to make a comparison (a big job) I just don’t know.
Does anyone have any real experience?
What is the approximate current of the T200 when moving at a steady (walking) pace in one direction?
My two side thrusters are not even in shrouds. The stern one is shrouded because of the rudder and elevator mounting.

I can’t understand how a battery can supply 10 amps to several thrusters at once for any length of time.
30 amps from an 18AH battery would only last 15 minutes I would guess before it tripped on temperature.
Maybe the BlueRov only draws a couple of amps per motor. However the standby current is 0.7 amps without any movement.
I will have to run the tests myself. I was hoping for answers here.

Hi @Rov36,

No - if anything they’re generally more efficient than equivalent brushed motors, because they don’t have friction from the brush. That comes with reduced wear and longer lifetimes, at the cost of a motor that’s harder to manufacture (so more expensive) and more complex to control.

If you’re interested in a bit more detail, this article was one of the first results from a search of “efficiency of brushless vs brushed motors”.

A thruster produces a pressure differential. How fast water flows through it depends on

  • the rotation rate the motor controller is aiming for
  • other forces on the system (e.g. from water currents, and other thrusters)

How fast the thruster itself ends up moving depends on

  • the water flow rate through the thruster
  • the weight and drag characteristics of what the thruster is attached to
  • the orientation of the thruster relative to the existing system motion and its lower drag directions

Our thruster product pages (T200, T500) include a Technical Details section, where you’ll find current draw maxima and a variety of plots, including a plot of power usage vs (static) thrust. There’s some discussion of thrust at speed in this thread.

Our Lithium-ion battery is rated to 60A continuous output, subject to temperature constraints. Cool water and a metal enclosure can help with keeping the battery cool enough.

Current usage depends on how hard the motors are being driven. Runtime depends on battery capacity and current usage. For example, if your vehicle usage is mostly extended periods of high throttle then that’s not how an ROV is generally expected to be operated, so you’ll need to determine/measure your own runtime estimates rather than using the ones in our BlueROV2 technical details.

I am setting up some tests to compare my brushed home-made thruster to the T200. I expect the T200 to be much better. However my ROV moves quite fast with about 6 amp total draw from 24V from an inverter. It is difficult to compare because my ROV is torpedo shaped. I am doing the tests before changing all 3 of my thrusters to T200s. For anyone unaware my side thrusters rotate over 180 degrees and there is a rudder and elevator behind the rear thruster. The black tube is a negative keel. Thanks for the tip on the battery, I may have to upgrade mine.